Spotlight: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

[finale00]

It happens randomly during the following:

1: when I open a model, sometimes.
2: when I open a model successfully, and then want to open another model (might be the same issue as #1)

I also see this error sometimes

Faulting application noesis.exe, version 1.0.0.1, faulting module noe1592.tmp, version 0.0.0.0, fault address 0x001ba82e.

Is it possible for me to read from the bitstream such that I will crash stuff?
Many times I notice that I am running into memory error or other errors before it crashes.

For bulletwitch I searched for "open" but couldn't find it, so not really sure where it's done (line number?)

Also, can I get the absolute path of the input file? It's probably stored somewhere.

[Satoh]

I suggest making a note of the type of model you're opening, and seeing if there are specific formats that cause the issue. It could be one particular plugin causing just the right circumstance on a particular type of file to give the error...

Or it could simply be Intel ***ing with you like they seem to do to me...

("Running a game from 1998 with minimal graphics requirements? ARE YOU MAD!? We can't handle that kind of POWER!!" "This game was made after 2001. It ain't happening.")

[pro spy]

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[MrAdults]

I don't know about the NoeBitStream in particular, and I'm not quite sure what you'd be doing to leak memory from Python, but if you're getting it to leak memory and error internally (not just raise Python exceptions) from whatever you're doing in your scripts, that could very well be related. If you can get something that crashes semi-reliably, I'd appreciate you sending the script and model(s) my way so I can try to isolate it in debug.

I'm going to go ahead and look into implementing a custom exception handler to analyze and optionally report crashes automatically. I've been meaning to do that for a long time anyway.

[finale00]

I think it is just my computer though, as the one I'm working on right now is rather old and the hardware is pretty crappy.

I will test it under a more modern computer and see if it still has the problem.
I think I had an "Out of Memory!" message at one point in time, which I've seen before when writing silly recursive code lol

[Satoh]

It could be that the plugin you're using gets stuck in a completely viable loop, and your computer simply stops being able to process the data properly.

By this I mean the plugin is working, but it isn't meant for that particular file, and it causes an infinite loop error, but one that doesn't get flagged as an error.

Try watching the Commit Charge and CPU usage for noesis in the task manager and see if it spikes...

Also make sure that there are no shadow instances of noesis running in the background that have failed to properly close. I get that sometimes if I crash noesis with one of my poorly written plugins, the window gets destroyed, but the process continues for a while after.

Or sometimes if I try to open multiple noesis windows (IE forgetting I clicked the icon, and clicking it again before the first window has been created) I sometimes get multiple noesis processes with only one window. (I think that's not a bug in Noesis, but rather a windows error, as it's not confined to noesis. It happens with Firefox and Cygnus when I load big files into it.

With several Noesi running, I tend to run out of memory and get other random errors and messages.

[nightsqual05]

why i cant load the texture of dota 2 model?

[finale00]

Cause you don't have the textures there.
vtx, vvd, and mdl do not contain texture information.

[nightsqual05]

^
so what i need to do bro so i can see it with textures

edit: nvm problem solved

[pixellegolas]

whenever a problem is solved it is a nice netiquette to tell people how you solved it. There are probably others with the same, however small issue

[Rolandonmilk]

Is there any support for multiple UV maps, some games like final fantasy 13 have on some models.

[Privateer]

Reading through the information in the plugins folder I see Half Float but it's not what I need as I'm understanding it.
I need to convert a signed short to a Float 16 or half float as it's also called.
I do have the Python code to do this.

Am I understanding this Half Float correctly in Noesis Python documents?

[chrrox]

there is a difference between signed shorts and floats
half float is an actual 16 bit floating point number
some games use signed shorts as floats these are not half floats.
signed shorts are normally you read the number then divide by 0xFFFF and use that as the float.

[Privateer]

I understand that but that is not the case here.
Divideing the signed short in the SWTOR 3D meshes does not work to get the correct output.

[Satoh]

Can I get a rundown on how the noesis API handles triangulation?
The files I'm working with are odd, and seem pretty inefficient...
They list vertex positions in the order used to create a triangle, and for triangles that share vertices, the shared vertices are listed many times. I can't be certain there's not a bit of the file to tell which edges are linked, but as far as I can tell, there is no separate info on which vertex is part of which triangle... Also, there seems to be no indexing of vertices, they seem to simply be referred by their order of creation... (as in the UV for a vertex is created in the same order as the vertex itself, rather than any sort of referential index being called to link the UV to the vertex...)

All of this seems pretty inefficient, and complicates my ability to make triangles and UV's in noesis... Partly because I only know how to use the function as it's presented in chrrox' tutorial. I don't know what kind of data its expecting in order to make triangles out of points... I assume it's looking for tuples of vertex indices...right? Or does it only accept raw byteArrays?

I tried feeding it the vertex data for both data arguments of rpgCommitTriangles... which as predicted just caused noesis to crash when loading the model...

If I make an array to document the order of vertex creation, and feed that array into the triangle data argument, would that work (Assuming you understood any of that disjointed explanation)?

For instance, this is the data from the file I have... They are signed shorts (just like chrrox just mentioned) and there is no extranious data or padding between them. (Obviously these are the translated coords, for easier reading)

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0,		0,	519
-347,	0,	1038
0,		0,	1038
0,		0,	0
-347,	0,	0
0,		0,	519
-347,	0,	519
-347,	0,	1038
0,		0,	1038
347,	0,	1038
0,		0,	519
347,	0,	519
347,	0,	0
0,		0,	519
347,	0,	0
0,		0,	0

Notice how several of these coords are repeated? They are presumably the same vertex, but part of another triangle... I don't know how to format that data for rpgCommitTriangles to understand it.