Kingdom Hearts Birth By Sleep models

[Mirrorman95]

Yeah, the KH1 model formats should have their own topic. Meanwhile, I've got messed up faces on my models and I can't get any from the English version because there hasn't been an update for the converter in months! I mean seriously, I mean I know Falo has a life, and he's done so much for us, but hasn't he got something new? I just don't understand. Unless I being rude for saying this; I mean no offense and don't expect this to come off as such. But unless there's a new program for extracting Buzz and Woody from KH2, I don't think anyone gives a darn about it on this topic.

As it turns out, Falo's new KH2 dumper allowed me to extract the Buzz and Woody models from KH2. So, never mind.

[Devilot]

huh? where is it?

[grass]

Hi, guys, stumbled across this forum looking for a topic similar to this one.

I have a request.
Could anyone rip several models from Birth by Sleep in order to do a height comparison?

I had a few in mind:
1. Model of KH2 Sora and/or Roxas next to Ven. (Amazingly, some people aren't convinced they're the same height >_>)

*SPOILER* Sora and Roxas' models should be in the game, assuming that the secret ending is using in-game models and not a video format. *SPOILER*

2. Also, I'm sure you've seen that image comparing the heights of the Organization floating around the web, so I was wondering if, for reference, someone could do a comparison similar to that, ie:
Terra/Braig/Dilan/Even/Elaeus/Ienzo/Isa/Lea/Ven

3. Lastly, a comparison of the heights of the Mysterious Figure (optional boss exclusive to the international release) next to Master Xehanort in his Organization cloak, young Master Xehanort, Terra, Ansem the Wise in his Organization cloak, and KH2 Riku.
Doing this could presumably rule out a few theories.

If anyone could do any of these, I'd be extremely thankful. I can't really offer anything than my undying gratitude. xD
Or if no one could do it, I was wondering if someone could point me in the right direction.

Thanks in advance!

[ultimaespio]

I think the secret ending is pre-rendered. I could be wrong. But its hard to search thorough the models because there isn't a model viewer, you have to convert them manually to find out what they are.

[grass]

If it's pre-rendered, I'll be pissed.

Nomura even said it wasn't:

--- Of course you usually have a secret movie at the end, do you have one this time too?
Nomura: Yes there is one. Except this time it isn’t a pre-rendered movie that gives a hint as to how the story will develop later, but is shown like an event scene. There is dialog, and in all it runs about ten minutes. It is set up as one episode. Instead of showing us what will happen in the future, it is more like a true ending. I would really like everyone to see it. There are characters that will only show up there in it as well.

[Falo]

1. Model of KH2 Sora and/or Roxas next to Ven. (Amazingly, some people aren't convinced they're the same height >_>)

*SPOILER* Sora and Roxas' models should be in the game, assuming that the secret ending is using in-game models and not a video format. *SPOILER*

It's a pre-rendered movie, no Sora, Axel, Xion, Ansem.
But Sora should have a different height, because Sora = Vanitas, Ventus = Roxas
Sora != Roxas

2. Also, I'm sure you've seen that image comparing the heights of the Organization floating around the web, so I was wondering if, for reference, someone could do a comparison similar to that, ie:
Terra/Braig/Dilan/Even/Elaeus/Ienzo/Isa/Lea/Ven

i tried it, this is the result:
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/16vi405e/noname.png

looks a little bit strange, because, now i know what this unknown float in the header is, it's the model scale...
without it, all models are scaled to 1.0

Edit:
here a new pic:
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/8znr2sqf/noname2.png

was easy to fix:

Code: Select all

            //apply model scale
            VerticeX *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeY *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeZ *= pmoHeader.modelScale;

3. Lastly, a comparison of the heights of the Mysterious Figure (optional boss exclusive to the international release) next to Master Xehanort in his Organization cloak, young Master Xehanort, Terra, Ansem the Wise in his Organization cloak, and KH2 Riku.
Doing this could presumably rule out a few theories.

i looked through every model file, i cannot find him

[Zerox]

And this is the problem grass. Model viewing is never perfect, though it can get close sometimes. But things such as side by side height measurements can easily be rigged and messed up both intentionally and unintentionally.

A character's height and overall size could easily be incorrect versus another character by something just as simple as being more zoomed in on the model, or perhaps you were scaling all axis's of the model by like .8 to make them fit a different scale and then you forget that later and when you put the models side by side they could all be at different scaling values yet again messing up height values.

Take this image for example:

http://varika.pair.com/mp3/KH%20Models/ ... 20Side.jpg

I know from looking at these models without touching any sorta zoom or repositioning at all that these height values are off. A lot of the characters are near the same height Lexaues included. It just appears that he's taller because the model is zoomed in more. He's tall but not to such an extent. And this is the problem. It's not easy to set these up for accuracy and you can't guarantee that someone else did the work accurately.

Take Falo's image for example. He was very careful and did everything properly but there apparently is some sort of scaling value used in the game that wasn't taken into factor so the characters are all relatively the same height with different body proportions such as Ienzo having a huge head and such, well rather huge everything compared to some of the characters next to him. But this is just because the game just renders him at a smaller scaling value which makes him look natural.

It is my opinion that such height comparison images just have too much room for error no matter how careful the person producing the image is, and as such they shouldn't be given any sort of credibility.

Edit: Also the end movie is indeed pre-rendered without the models actually being in the game. It just isn't pre-rendered CGI with the high detail that we're used to seeing on the ps2 games. The only thing I could even find close to that would be a model of Riku that was as he appears in KH2. Though I'm not sure where such a model actually was used in-game.

[Falo]

Edit: Also the end movie is indeed pre-rendered without the models actually being in the game. It just isn't pre-rendered CGI with the high detail that we're used to seeing on the ps2 games. The only thing I could even find close to that would be a model of Riku that was as he appears in KH2. Though I'm not sure where such a model actually was used in-game.

The Riku model was used in Terra's Story, when you meet Sora & Riku as kids on Destiny Island,
Terra gives Riku the keyblade ability, then he sees him as Riku from KH2. (the scene does make no sense...)

but it's not like in KH2,
BBS: 7172 Vertices, 4750 Faces
KH2: 14511 Vertices, 4837 Faces

I can understand him, he wanna know who the Unknown (Mysterious Figure) is, but we all know it already, he
uses the same weapons as Xemnas, he tests Aqua, Ven, Terra like he did with Sora in KHFM and KH is still in the Xehanort Saga,
so who could it be ? only Xemnas or (again, like nobody&unversed) a new form of enemy born from Xehanort/Vanitas, but we will know it when KH3DS comes out. (*Spoiler*Master Xehanort comes back from the death...*Spoiler*)

back to Topic,
i will try to release a new version of my converter this weekend,
after fixing some things and playing through Fallout New Vegas ^^

[Zerox]

Ah okay that's why its there. Thank you for clarifying as I haven't played through Terra's story yet. I also knew the models weren't the same. It's easy to tell just by the texture maps.

Though admittedly that last bit of your post was the best news in this thread for a while now. You just made my day about 50 times all at once.

[grass]

And this is the problem grass. Model viewing is never perfect, though it can get close sometimes. But things such as side by side height measurements can easily be rigged and messed up both intentionally and unintentionally.

A character's height and overall size could easily be incorrect versus another character by something just as simple as being more zoomed in on the model, or perhaps you were scaling all axis's of the model by like .8 to make them fit a different scale and then you forget that later and when you put the models side by side they could all be at different scaling values yet again messing up height values.

It is my opinion that such height comparison images just have too much room for error no matter how careful the person producing the image is, and as such they shouldn't be given any sort of credibility.

Ah, I see. Well, it doesn't hurt to try just to get some kind of estimate of height.

It's a pre-rendered movie, no Sora, Axel, Xion, Ansem.
But Sora should have a different height, because Sora = Vanitas, Ventus = Roxas
Sora != Roxas

Bummer.
Well, do you mean that Sora should have the same height? Because if Sora=Vanitas and Ventus=Roxas (and someone for some god awful reason is claiming that Ven is taller than Roxas when it's obvious he's the same height), then Sora=Ventus because we know that Sora=Roxas based on height comparison.

Edit:
here a new pic:
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/8znr2sqf/noname2.png

was easy to fix:

Code: Select all

            //apply model scale
            VerticeX *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeY *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeZ *= pmoHeader.modelScale;

Wow, great! Really appreciate it.
I'll be sure to credit you if I post it elsewhere.

Thanks man.

[Soraoscuro]

1. Model of KH2 Sora and/or Roxas next to Ven. (Amazingly, some people aren't convinced they're the same height >_>)

*SPOILER* Sora and Roxas' models should be in the game, assuming that the secret ending is using in-game models and not a video format. *SPOILER*

It's a pre-rendered movie, no Sora, Axel, Xion, Ansem.
But Sora should have a different height, because Sora = Vanitas, Ventus = Roxas
Sora != Roxas

2. Also, I'm sure you've seen that image comparing the heights of the Organization floating around the web, so I was wondering if, for reference, someone could do a comparison similar to that, ie:
Terra/Braig/Dilan/Even/Elaeus/Ienzo/Isa/Lea/Ven

i tried it, this is the result:
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/16vi405e/noname.png

looks a little bit strange, because, now i know what this unknown float in the header is, it's the model scale...
without it, all models are scaled to 1.0

Edit:
here a new pic:
http://www.imagebanana.com/view/8znr2sqf/noname2.png

was easy to fix:

Code: Select all

            //apply model scale
            VerticeX *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeY *= pmoHeader.modelScale;
            VerticeZ *= pmoHeader.modelScale;

3. Lastly, a comparison of the heights of the Mysterious Figure (optional boss exclusive to the international release) next to Master Xehanort in his Organization cloak, young Master Xehanort, Terra, Ansem the Wise in his Organization cloak, and KH2 Riku.
Doing this could presumably rule out a few theories.

i looked through every model file, i cannot find him

Mysterious Figure model is b01ex00, just so you know

[Aurangzeb56]

Mysterious Figure model is b01ex00, just so you know

true,but still a ripper for the English version still hasn't came out,and i think it would be hard to rip the model directly from that file you gave me before of MF.

[Soraoscuro]

Mysterious Figure model is b01ex00, just so you know

true,but still a ripper for the English version still hasn't came out,and i think it would be hard to rip the model directly from that file you gave me before of MF.

Hard? Lol, no. I can do it anytime.

Edit:

[Aurangzeb56]

Mysterious Figure model is b01ex00, just so you know

true,but still a ripper for the English version still hasn't came out,and i think it would be hard to rip the model directly from that file you gave me before of MF.

Hard? Lol, no. I can do it anytime.

Edit:

>.< how were you able extract the model?? XD

[GameAreAwesome]

Mysterious Figure model is b01ex00, just so you know

true,but still a ripper for the English version still hasn't came out,and i think it would be hard to rip the model directly from that file you gave me before of MF.

Hard? Lol, no. I can do it anytime.

Edit:

Hey If Im not wrong he got this model from an older game of kingdom hearts Probably from KH2