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Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:47 pm**

Which blender version did you use for the plugin?
When I try 2.82 which the Niftools were allegedly written for I get:
"ImportError: cannot import name 'prod' from 'math' (unknown location)"

(I used blender 2.82, 64 bit, btw.)

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:49 pm**

I used blender 3.4 and it worked except for animations.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:54 pm**

blender 32 bit or 64 bit version?

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 3:55 pm**

It's 64bit version.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:24 pm**

well, see, there's a problem with the back legs:
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pig_strange_legs.png

Quadruped models are said to be more difficult. Did you try a character model?
Or an animated chest, if any?

This will take some time to check the scripts. As always I'm very busy. So can take some weeks.
But don't expect more than some print lines for debugging.

When you delete the pig's mesh and look at its skeleton you can guess that it's faulty.
You might try a skeleton builder to get the correct skeleton. There's two tools, one from Durik, the other one from Bigchillghost.

btw, when unfolding the bones hierarchy of Scene root in the outliner it looks ok.
So it's assumed that the rotations were calculated wrongly (just a wild guess).

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 4:45 pm**

Here try this model : https://www.sendspace.com/file/fzm8eh
80% of animations works propertly, still there is a problem with others.
About those coordinates, someone told me there is a problem with calculating rotation's while developers told me "You don't know what you talk about" so I came here in hope someone could show me a right direction, that guy even send me all the math required to calculate it right, I'm just not great with python.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:09 pm**

yeah, cool. You can export it to fbx and load it into Noesis.

The pig's head's moving nicely from 240 ms to 500 ms, for example.
edit: well, seems it's milliseconds, not frames in Noesis (up to 1200). In blender it's assumed to be frames (up to 250?)

Here's the pig's skeleton in smd format (maybe some rotation values are wrong?)

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Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:13 pm**

Hmm okay this is step

I tried exporting it with noesis before and it never worked except for raw mesh.
How could I check if rotations are good? maybe compare them with one from nifSkope? I'm not sure, nifskopes uses different coordinate system as far as I know.
Also how did you get those numbers?

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:30 pm**

xandro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:13 pmHow could I check if rotations are good?

For the pig the mouth is moving nicely from 950 ms to the end. This means rotations for related bones are correct. This is strange, usually when using wrong formulas every bone is affected. In some cases (other format, though) I set all rotations to zero and checked the translation. but this doesn't work always.

Thus I could see whether the skeleton was intact.

Instead of wild guessing I'd recommend to build the skeleton using a skeleton finder. There's some dozens of example here in the forum by Bigchillghost and Durik. With some luck there's a nif example among them, dunno.

maybe compare them with one from nifSkope? I'm not sure, nifskopes uses different coordinate system as far as I know.

The main problem with Nifskope is that it exports to obj only. At least the last version I used one or two years ago.

Ha, well, I remember having had NifSkope compiled on my old PC. I have no idea whether I can get it running again (because of HD change).

"The numbers?" Simply export as SMD from Noesis after having dragged an fbx onto it. Yeah, one of the coolest features of Noesis. Wouldn't want to miss it...

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:32 pm**

So you are telling me the skeleton could be the problem and I should try to export it on some other way?
Because those nif files are from parts(mesh,skeleton,animations) and I merge them in one NIF so blender could open them otherwise there is couple of problems.

Sorry, When I said "numbers" I meant rotations, thanks I will check that in noesis.
Also I remember noesis could export nif skeleton to fbx.
Here is the skeleton of the pig : https://www.sendspace.com/file/8652du

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 5:51 pm**

That skeleton looks decent. Now it's just a matter of time to combine this skeleton with the animation frames.

But who will do it?

But it has less bones and the hierarchy might be different. Maybe not so easy to perform?

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Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:19 pm**

How I can combine skeleton with animation frames? I'm willing to do it, I'm just not sure if I can.
So I still don't get it is the skeleton or animation problem? I always thought it's some animation problem.
It have less bones? what does that mean, you compared the Boar.nif and the one I sent you? with the skeleton?

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:00 pm**

xandro wrote: ↑Thu Mar 30, 2023 6:19 pm How I can combine skeleton with animation frames? I'm willing to do it, I'm just not sure if I can.

That's not a 15 minutes job. You'll need some experience for such. If you can't do it for yourself you need to wait 'til someone spends the time.

So I still don't get it is the skeleton or animation problem?

If I knew the solution I'd tell. Surely. I didn't check the animation frames.
What I can see is that the last skeleton.nif you uploaded looks decent. So that could be a good start.

It have less bones? what does that mean, you compared the Boar.nif and the one I sent you? with the skeleton?

Yes, I just compared both SMDs which I uploaded. There's no magic behind this.

I've already spent more time than intended. If you want it quick I can't serve, sorry. As I said, maybe in some weeks.

Posted: **Thu Mar 30, 2023 7:56 pm**

Okay, thank you so much

Posted: **Fri Mar 31, 2023 11:52 am**

The funny thing is that NifSkope plays the boar's animation perfectly. But as I said this version exports to .obj only.
If I don't miss something I'll need to patch the source code (which I neither have the time nor am, well, capable

) to get the anims out.
(afair there was a .dae export in one of those dozens of versions...)

edit: well, I'm such a dumbo. You can "Save As" Keyframe (*.kf). That it is...
.

Boar-Anim.jpg

(hmm, dragging the .kf onto Noesis and loading the skeleton.nif doesn't show an animation. I could have sworn it worked with some other format, some day...) .kfa has the same contents as .kf, btw

I finally tried to combine nif/kf using said blender plugin. This is what it tells then:

niftools:INFO:Animation estimated at 24 frames per second.
niftools:WARNING:Unknown KF root block found : Scene Root
niftools:WARNING:This type isn't currently supported: <class 'generated.formats.nif.nimain.niobjects.NiNode.NiNode'>
niftools:INFO:Finished successfully

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