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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by unkownac » Mon Aug 18, 2014 3:28 pm

Can somebody help me plz. I have unpack the Armored core for answer PS3 *.bnd file,then I get the*.flv file. I tried to find the Noesis scripe in the forum. But dark soul one *.flv one never work for the armored core. Therefore i read the post which written by alon he gave several resoures on it but now all of resourse can't download

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by unkownac » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:06 am

alon wrote:
hatyn wrote:Mr Adults, have you ever seen anything like these files before? Your input will be greately appreciated in my quest.

PokaPoka FLVER (with import script to blender -> viewtopic.php?p=56482#p56482 )
http://xis9.com/pokapoka.flver

Armored Core: For Answer FLVER
http://xis9.com/armored.flver

Dark Souls FLVER
http://xis9.com/ds.flv

http://xis9.com/ds2.flver

thanks for reading!
They have different the software maker and file's properties even though they are the same flver files.
Another Century's Episode R - From Software / Banpresto
http://www.mediafire.com/?cnc1zwatgbaprod
Another Century's Episode Portable - From Software / Bandai Namco Games
http://www.mediafire.com/?b9mvx7wrtu1fh0g
Armored Core: For Answer - From Software / Ubisoft
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=7834
Dark Souls - From Software / Namco Bandai Games America
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=7852
MonHun Nikki: Poka Poka Ailu Mura - Capcom
http://www.mediafire.com/?5zrclo3r7c734i7
Plz help the link you release is disable. could you reupload it plz thank you very much

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by wdw89 » Fri Aug 22, 2014 7:13 am

Hi,is there a function in noesis to merge/weld vertices by threshold when export models?
Because when I export models from Final Fantasy type-0, there are a lot vertices been splitted. So the smoothgroups are broken. But the models in noesis look nice.
And I have tried obj and fbx. Obj files have right and locked vertex normal in maya, although the vertices are splitted. But vertices and vertex normal in fbx files are splitted, and I prefer fbx file because I also want the joints/bones in the models.
Maybe the bulid-in script for FF type-0 has problem to handle the vertices. or maybe the models is already broken but noesis can show them correctly.
The thick edges and hard edges are detached in the image.
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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by MrAdults » Fri Aug 22, 2014 4:40 pm

You shouldn't be relying on welded vertices to generate smooth normals, even when models look "right" to you that means you're discarding their correct normals. Those Type-0 models all export correct normals. The FBX exporter also has an option to generate smoothing groups from vertex normals.

If you aren't getting smooth normals without welding, you're doing something wrong on import or in the modeling app.

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by wdw89 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 7:15 am

MrAdults wrote:You shouldn't be relying on welded vertices to generate smooth normals, even when models look "right" to you that means you're discarding their correct normals. Those Type-0 models all export correct normals. The FBX exporter also has an option to generate smoothing groups from vertex normals.

If you aren't getting smooth normals without welding, you're doing something wrong on import or in the modeling app.
But I tried -fbxnewexport, -fbxsmoothgroups and -fbxnotan, I also tried to tick combine per-vertex normals in maya and tried to tick smoothgroup in max. And I still can't get the right normal in maya or max. And the vertices are still splitted in all different commands.

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by wdw89 » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:01 am

I found a command -edgewelder #, and I tried some different values, but the results were not what I want.
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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by MrAdults » Sat Aug 23, 2014 4:40 pm

Why do I bother?

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by Darko » Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:31 pm

wdw89 wrote:
MrAdults wrote:You shouldn't be relying on welded vertices to generate smooth normals, even when models look "right" to you that means you're discarding their correct normals. Those Type-0 models all export correct normals. The FBX exporter also has an option to generate smoothing groups from vertex normals.

If you aren't getting smooth normals without welding, you're doing something wrong on import or in the modeling app.
But I tried -fbxnewexport, -fbxsmoothgroups and -fbxnotan, I also tried to tick combine per-vertex normals in maya and tried to tick smoothgroup in max. And I still can't get the right normal in maya or max. And the vertices are still splitted in all different commands.
Can't you weld vertices in Maya and manage smooth groups manually?? In 3dsmax is frigging easy.
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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by wdw89 » Sun Aug 24, 2014 7:02 am

Darko wrote:
wdw89 wrote:
MrAdults wrote:You shouldn't be relying on welded vertices to generate smooth normals, even when models look "right" to you that means you're discarding their correct normals. Those Type-0 models all export correct normals. The FBX exporter also has an option to generate smoothing groups from vertex normals.

If you aren't getting smooth normals without welding, you're doing something wrong on import or in the modeling app.
But I tried -fbxnewexport, -fbxsmoothgroups and -fbxnotan, I also tried to tick combine per-vertex normals in maya and tried to tick smoothgroup in max. And I still can't get the right normal in maya or max. And the vertices are still splitted in all different commands.
Can't you weld vertices in Maya and manage smooth groups manually?? In 3dsmax is frigging easy.
Yes, I can. That is easy for one file not for lots of files. I just want to know is there a method for batch convert. It doesn't matter if I have to manually weld vertices. And noesis is a great tool to help me extract many models.

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by lionheartuk » Sun Aug 24, 2014 12:32 pm

MrAdults wrote:Why do I bother?
Combining edges, is a pretty simple task in all 3D softwares, though a lot of people don't realize that normals looking correct in 3d software isn't the same as normals looking correct in engine, 30 degrees often looks facited in maya with low poly models, but looks perfectly fine in the games original engine.

This said, fixing normals and welding verts isn't a difficult (though occasionally time consuming) task.

One of the main issues (and rather common in the forums I find) is people importing ripped models into Maya/max/blender but not actually knowing how to use the software itself past its most basic import/export functions.
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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by Darko » Sun Aug 24, 2014 2:46 pm

Ok, I dont remember, is the format from Type-0 gmo?? then just use: -gmonorm

I've used that with doa5 files and exporting thiose models to smd and works fine.
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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by TheDude » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:26 pm

This appears to be an Autodesk problem (gasp! :eek: )
Even among their own products there's no consistency with the Filmbox format.
In 3ds Max and Maya the models have hard edges.
In Softimage the models are about 90% correct except for an occasional flipped normal here and there.
In Motionbuilder it's about 99% correct (which makes sense considering where the format came from).

Based on everything I've seen so far, I honestly think Mr. A knows what he's doing better than Audodesk does. [bruce]

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by MrAdults » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:30 pm

No, Type-0 is a proprietary format which exports its original normals. The gmo normal command was also deprecated a while ago. Since apparently that important tidbit of information I posted above was thoroughly ignored, let's try it again.

Do not weld vertices to make the lighting look correct. If you have to do this you are not using the vertex normals which means the lighting you are seeing is wrong and all intentional "hard edges" will be lost.

I'm not a Maya user, but it's probably something quite stupid going on like a simple viewport/render setting not being what it should be. Either that, or like TheDude just mentioned, the importer could be deciding to toss the normals and the smoothgroups. Just, please, for the love of shit, stop trying to fix it by welding the vertices.

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by TheDude » Sun Aug 24, 2014 5:40 pm

Maybe we need an anti-welding advocacy group. :D

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Re: Señor Casaroja's Noesis

Post by BloodForce » Tue Aug 26, 2014 12:45 am

can anyone give me some documentation for noesis? or Has anyone worked with animations in black desert?

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